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		<title>By: Nofollow is not as bad as you think &#187; Semicolon</title>
		<link>http://www.thunderguy.com/semicolon/2006/08/09/nofollow-good-idea-bad-name/#comment-7071</link>
		<dc:creator>Nofollow is not as bad as you think &#187; Semicolon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote recently about why the worst thing about nofollow is its name. My response to Maxpower&#8217;s thought-provoking comment grew too long for the comments section, so here&#8217;s a slightly longer exposition of what&#8217;s wrong and right with nofollow. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I wrote recently about why the worst thing about nofollow is its name. My response to Maxpower&#8217;s thought-provoking comment grew too long for the comments section, so here&#8217;s a slightly longer exposition of what&#8217;s wrong and right with nofollow. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: maxpower</title>
		<link>http://www.thunderguy.com/semicolon/2006/08/09/nofollow-good-idea-bad-name/#comment-6968</link>
		<dc:creator>maxpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 06:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"&lt;em&gt;There is no reason why me leaving a comment on your blog should somehow make my blog more relevant for search queries.&lt;/em&gt;"  

I can see your point, so what if I left a comment here -- the keyword 'maxpower' doesn't need a SERP boost (or perhaps even deserve one) because I made a comment on this blog.  I agree, so what?  But what if I left a comment on your blog, as I do now, that mentions that there is a great resource called &lt;a href="http://www.nonofollow.net/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow"&gt;NoNofollow&lt;/a&gt; and it's all about NoFollow, a subject discussed most prominently on this very page.  I think its not only very informative, but also highly relevant to this discussion.  Doesn't that page deserve some pagerank love (a term created to explain the complex calculation that is pagerank and not out of ignorance -- as in missing some kind of undefined picture) because it's mentioned on a page all about NoFollow?

But, because this is a blog and not another kind of website -- it gets no boost as NoFollow is applied by default.  That doesn't seem right.  

&lt;em&gt;"...it’s [pagerank] now only controllable by the actual author of a blog, not by any random person who happens to leave a comment."&lt;/em&gt;

I have a blog and I control everything.  Every detail.  I decide (as you do) what comments get (or stay) published, what those comments say, and where they link to.  My blog is not a democracy.  Therefore, I argue that to claim that  "any random person who happens to leave a comment" is somehow usurping your position and taking pagerank (or using pagerank without your permission) is false.  A blog owner controls all facets of their online website including other people's comments -- that makes him/ her responsible for those comments.  NoFollow robs blog owners of this responsibility.

The basic premise of your argument (if I may, and I could be wrong) is that nofollow is a good way of linking to stuff your site doesn't want to be associated with, negates comment spam, and therefore it is good.

Akismet provides some &lt;a href="http://akismet.com/stats/" rel="nofollow"&gt;spam statistics&lt;/a&gt;.  These stats show that spam is increasing.  Spam hasn't dropped since nofollow was introduced, so the only good use for nofollow is its use to link to undesirable or unreviewed (by webmasters) websites.  In your mind does this lone good use make it a good idea to apply nofollow to all blogs?  In mine, it does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>There is no reason why me leaving a comment on your blog should somehow make my blog more relevant for search queries.</em>&#8221;  </p>
<p>I can see your point, so what if I left a comment here &#8212; the keyword &#8216;maxpower&#8217; doesn&#8217;t need a SERP boost (or perhaps even deserve one) because I made a comment on this blog.  I agree, so what?  But what if I left a comment on your blog, as I do now, that mentions that there is a great resource called <a href="http://www.nonofollow.net/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">NoNofollow</a> and it&#8217;s all about NoFollow, a subject discussed most prominently on this very page.  I think its not only very informative, but also highly relevant to this discussion.  Doesn&#8217;t that page deserve some pagerank love (a term created to explain the complex calculation that is pagerank and not out of ignorance &#8212; as in missing some kind of undefined picture) because it&#8217;s mentioned on a page all about NoFollow?</p>
<p>But, because this is a blog and not another kind of website &#8212; it gets no boost as NoFollow is applied by default.  That doesn&#8217;t seem right.  </p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;it’s [pagerank] now only controllable by the actual author of a blog, not by any random person who happens to leave a comment.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I have a blog and I control everything.  Every detail.  I decide (as you do) what comments get (or stay) published, what those comments say, and where they link to.  My blog is not a democracy.  Therefore, I argue that to claim that  &#8220;any random person who happens to leave a comment&#8221; is somehow usurping your position and taking pagerank (or using pagerank without your permission) is false.  A blog owner controls all facets of their online website including other people&#8217;s comments &#8212; that makes him/ her responsible for those comments.  NoFollow robs blog owners of this responsibility.</p>
<p>The basic premise of your argument (if I may, and I could be wrong) is that nofollow is a good way of linking to stuff your site doesn&#8217;t want to be associated with, negates comment spam, and therefore it is good.</p>
<p>Akismet provides some <a href="http://akismet.com/stats/" rel="nofollow">spam statistics</a>.  These stats show that spam is increasing.  Spam hasn&#8217;t dropped since nofollow was introduced, so the only good use for nofollow is its use to link to undesirable or unreviewed (by webmasters) websites.  In your mind does this lone good use make it a good idea to apply nofollow to all blogs?  In mine, it does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.thunderguy.com/semicolon/2006/08/09/nofollow-good-idea-bad-name/#comment-6914</link>
		<dc:creator>Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only blogs, but also forums, etc. use nofollow only for externally-contributed content like blog comments and forum posts. Obviously I can still link to whatever I like from my own blog and nofollow will not be applied, so there is still "pagerank love spread out between blogs interlinking", but it's now only controllable by the actual author of a blog, not by any random person who happens to leave a comment. There is no reason why me leaving a comment on your blog should somehow make &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; blog more relevant for search queries. Nofollow helps to prevent this anomaly. It doesn't disadvantage blogs; rather, it simply removes the (unfair?) advantage they used to have.

As I have argued ad nauseum, it is plainly obvious that nofollow was never intended to stop comment spam; it was intended to negate comment spam's effect on SERPs.

Finally, when I hear people say things like "pagerank love" it makes me think that perhaps they are missing the big picture. PageRank isn't some kind of "warm fuzzy" that bloggers are supposed to bestow upon each other; it's simply one component of one company's proprietary search and retrieval technology. These things change all the time -- nofollow was just one of the more public changes. I bet the PageRank calculations two years from now will be very different from two years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only blogs, but also forums, etc. use nofollow only for externally-contributed content like blog comments and forum posts. Obviously I can still link to whatever I like from my own blog and nofollow will not be applied, so there is still &#8220;pagerank love spread out between blogs interlinking&#8221;, but it&#8217;s now only controllable by the actual author of a blog, not by any random person who happens to leave a comment. There is no reason why me leaving a comment on your blog should somehow make <em>my</em> blog more relevant for search queries. Nofollow helps to prevent this anomaly. It doesn&#8217;t disadvantage blogs; rather, it simply removes the (unfair?) advantage they used to have.</p>
<p>As I have argued ad nauseum, it is plainly obvious that nofollow was never intended to stop comment spam; it was intended to negate comment spam&#8217;s effect on SERPs.</p>
<p>Finally, when I hear people say things like &#8220;pagerank love&#8221; it makes me think that perhaps they are missing the big picture. PageRank isn&#8217;t some kind of &#8220;warm fuzzy&#8221; that bloggers are supposed to bestow upon each other; it&#8217;s simply one component of one company&#8217;s proprietary search and retrieval technology. These things change all the time &#8212; nofollow was just one of the more public changes. I bet the PageRank calculations two years from now will be very different from two years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: maxpower</title>
		<link>http://www.thunderguy.com/semicolon/2006/08/09/nofollow-good-idea-bad-name/#comment-6909</link>
		<dc:creator>maxpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the points you have raised in your post, but I feel you have missed the big picture.  Off all the different kinds of pages on the net, the only population that consistently uses nofollow for (nearly) every link on every page are blogs.  Nofollow's defacto use on all blogs as a deterrent to comment spam has not only failed to stop comment spam, but it has also decreased the pagerank love spread out between blogs interlinking effectively giving all the other websites  who don't use nofollow the edge in SERP game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the points you have raised in your post, but I feel you have missed the big picture.  Off all the different kinds of pages on the net, the only population that consistently uses nofollow for (nearly) every link on every page are blogs.  Nofollow&#8217;s defacto use on all blogs as a deterrent to comment spam has not only failed to stop comment spam, but it has also decreased the pagerank love spread out between blogs interlinking effectively giving all the other websites  who don&#8217;t use nofollow the edge in SERP game.</p>
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		<title>By: Brook</title>
		<link>http://www.thunderguy.com/semicolon/2006/08/09/nofollow-good-idea-bad-name/#comment-3989</link>
		<dc:creator>Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree "nofollow" is terribly open to mis-interpretation. I initially started looking into it because I wanted to link to a couple of demonstration pages that I didn't want indexed.

I like the idea of "contrib" or similar, it adds symantic value to the relationship, rather than creating an instruction for search engines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8220;nofollow&#8221; is terribly open to mis-interpretation. I initially started looking into it because I wanted to link to a couple of demonstration pages that I didn&#8217;t want indexed.</p>
<p>I like the idea of &#8220;contrib&#8221; or similar, it adds symantic value to the relationship, rather than creating an instruction for search engines.</p>
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